Comments on dougrutter.org: Is the Bible the Only Scripture

Thanks for your comment. I wanted to correct and ...

2008-11-20T11:20:00.000-06:00

Thanks for your comment. I wanted to correct and respond to a couple of your comments.

The New Testament books were written over a 50-year period.

The claim that I Timothy makes regarding inspiration, authority, and usefulness has applied to “all scripture.” This Greek word “graphe” is a term applied to all the texts recognized as God’s inspired revelation.

To say that a New Testament collection didn’t occur until 400AD is a bit misleading. The gospels received universal recognition within the 1st generation of Xians. We see in I Peter 3:16 that the writings of Paul were already recognized as “scripture” even within his lifetime. Before 100AD Clement of Rome refers to a “collection of Paul’s letters” that was recognized as scripture. Ignatius and Polycarp (2nd century) also reference this Pauline collection. By the end of the 2nd century there was widespread agreement on 21 of the 27 books of the New Testament.

By 240 we have church leaders listing all 27 books of our New Testament. This is echoed again by 300. We have further confirmation of this in 367, 393, 397 and 419.

I hope you will find that the more questions you ask and the deeper you research the Bible, the more you find its claims are confirmed.

The books of the new testament were written over ...

2008-11-19T23:09:00.000-06:00

The books of the new testament were written over a 100 year period, and they were not even collected into a single 27-book "bible" until around 400 AD. (The old and new testament together took even longer) If any particular book of the bible makes a claim of divine inspiration or infallibility, that claim could stand only for that particular book, not for the collection of documents as a whole. In fact, different denominations of Christianity accept different collections of books as "the Bible". How could they ALL have the complete, infallible, divinely inspired collection?

Doug,

good post & I appreciate your con...

2008-11-19T15:19:00.000-06:00

Doug,

good post & I appreciate your contention for the truth of the bible. Truth is confrontational, especially when people choose not to hear, see & believe it. Truth stands alone.

Jeff

I am not wanting to debate...that is not the purpo...

2008-11-18T10:54:00.000-06:00

I am not wanting to debate...that is not the purpose of my 1st comment. You posted information that was not accurate about Joseph Smith. I simply was letting you know of that error.

These are all the historical doctrines of the LDS ...

2008-11-18T10:15:00.000-06:00

These are all the historical doctrines of the LDS church as proclaimed by their "prophets" and elders throughout the years. For example...

LDS Apostle Orson Hyde wrote: "Remember that God, our heavenly Father, was perhaps once a child, a mortal like we ourselves, and rose step by step in the scale of progress, in the school of advancement; has moved forward and overcome, until He has arrived at the point were He is."

This is not what the Bible teaches about God. (Job 41:11, Ps. 50:10-12, Rev. 4:11, Ps. 90:2, Isa. 46:9-10)

This is just one example of many others. Norman Geisler, dean of Southern Evangelical Seminary has said, "On every major doctrine, the fundamental teachings of evangelical Christianity and Mormon doctrine are diametrically opposed."

I understand that the spirit of the age is for tolerance and inter-faith cooperation, but we are compelled to stand for the truth of what is written in the Bible. I appreciate you reading the blog, but please understand I am compelled to CONTEND for the true faith (Phil 1:27, 4:3). And I believe that is of the Lord.

You seem to have a great misconceptipn of what The...

2008-11-18T09:53:00.000-06:00

You seem to have a great misconceptipn of what The LDS Church really is. The Spirit of contention is not of The Lord so I do not wish to debate the differences in our religions.

Mike Baker recently gave a Sermon about bearing False witness. I think that that serman applies also when discusing others faiths.

That is one issue where I believe the Bible disagr...

2008-11-18T09:46:00.000-06:00

That is one issue where I believe the Bible disagrees with the teaching of the Mormon church. Some others...
-Jesus and Satan were brothers.
-The afterlife of "good people" includes becoming the God of your own planet and populating it with the your multiple wives.
-The American indians were actually ancient Jews.
-Black skin is the result of the curse of Ham.

I find it difficult to undesrstand how one can affirm both the Book of Mormon and the Bible simlutaneously when what they teach are so different.

Since you are posting information about The Book o...

2008-11-18T08:36:00.000-06:00

Since you are posting information about The Book of Mormon, I would like to give you accurate information. The Book of Mormon was translated by Joseph Smith in 3 months, start to finsh.

Saying that Joseph Smith wrote The Book Of Mormon, is kind of like saying that Martin Luther wrote the entire Bible. They both translated records.

The LDS (Mormon) church also uses The Holy Bible (King James Version) as scripture.